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The Whole Marketer Podcast – Episode 166

Jun 23, 2026

The Skills Getting CMOs Hired: Insights from an Executive Search Specialist on Senior Marketer Roles and AI 

Episode 166 with guest Rowan Fisk, Founder of GrowthKind 

 

The third in our mini-series on how marketing roles are changing, in this episode we hear directly from an executive hiring specialist who speaks to over a hundred senior marketing leaders every month, on the skills that modern senior marketers need to possess (particularly in founder-led, start-up scale up and VC/entrepreneurial businesses) how AI is already reshaping recruitment and marketing org charts, and the job search advice for candidates today. 

 

Joining Abby is Rowan Fisk, Founder of GrowthKind, an executive search firm that places senior marketing, digital, and growth leadership roles into high-growth start-ups and scale-ups across the UK and EMEA.  As a trusted advisor to many founders, CEOs, and investors navigating critical leadership hires, he has real-time insight into the trends shaping marketing leadership roles and talent. 

 

Key takeaways 

  • The job market is recovering (not yet recovered)… Vacancies for senior marketing leaders are rising and processes are moving faster, but for anyone currently out of role, the search can still be challenging. 
  • Curiosity is becoming a defining leadership trait… Rowan believes CQ – the willingness to test, learn and adapt – is becoming just as important as IQ and EQ for the next generation of marketing leaders. 
  • AI is reshaping marketing teams… How AI is impacting different departments, but brand and creative roles remain harder to replace. 
  • AI supports recruitment decisions, but doesn’t replace judgement… Rowan’s firm uses AI to help rank shortlisted candidates objectively, but he’s overridden an AI-recommended hire when his own instincts told him something wasn’t right. 
  • Networking beats job boards… Abby and Rowan share advice for anyone job hunting to get specific about their professional superpower and share it. 

00:00 — Welcome to the Whole Marketer Podcast
02:50 — Introducing Rowan Fisk
03:05 — What’s the Real Role of Marketers Today?
05:07 — Marketing Skillset in Founder-led Businesses
09:33 — Moving From Gut Instinct to Insight-Led Decisions
12:06 — Why Performance Marketing Has Dominated Hiring
13:30 — How AI Is Fuelling a Brand Marketing Resurgence
15:30 — Short-Termism and the Case for Creativity
18:19 — Introducing CQ, the Curiosity Quotient
20:50 — Why Leaders Should Embrace Curiosity and Humility 

22:53 — AI and Restructures: Growth or Rationalisation?
26:34 — AI in Recruitment: Useful Tool, Not a Replacement for Judgement
31:05 — What’s Really Happening in the Marketing Job Market
36:00 — The Passive Candidate Pool Is Starting to Move
37:17 — Why Watching Your Peers Move Changes Everything
38:17 — Sharing the Wins and Getting Employee Value Proposition Right
42:07 — Getting Clear on What You Actually Want From a Role
42:57 — What’s Your Superpower?
44:14 — Why Being Known for Something Beats Being Good at Everything
47:30 — Let Your Network Know What You’re Looking For
50:30 — Why Most Senior Roles Never Get Advertised
52:33 — Rowan’s Advice For Marketers of Tomorrow 

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